November 3rd, 2008 Chat Session

IRC Chat on Freenode.net/#pacslinux

7:42:53 PM) jimbro [i=97c5191b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-908c932f9fa529ad] entered the room.

(7:42:57 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Oooo whole buncha names, but not typing

(7:43:07 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Hi jimbro

(7:43:16 PM) jimbro: Good Evening Mr dBear

(7:43:26 PM) jimbro: Good evening Randi

(7:43:32 PM) jimbro: Hello All

(7:43:50 PM) Teddy: hi jimbro

(7:43:55 PM) Teddy: ni Pat

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(7:44:52 PM) FreeBuzzbee: All that greetings and then goes away.

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(7:45:57 PM) jimbro: Did you hear from Jedi?

(7:46:19 PM) jimbro: Pat says Hi to All

(7:46:54 PM) rmg51: not yet

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(7:49:16 PM) jimbro: Pat wanted to know what happened to Howdy Doody Rich

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(7:57:12 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Im here as me. those others keep bouncing from another machine. This is temp while I re-partition/ lvm the good machine.

(8:01:06 PM) kejava [n=kejava@216-164-140-98.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com] entered the room.

(8:02:40 PM) jimbro: Ok

(8:02:49 PM) CoolHand [n=coolhand@static-209-137-172-26.dsl.cavtel.net] entered the room.

(8:02:59 PM) jimbro: Hi Kejava

(8:03:18 PM) kejava: hi jimbro! been a week already?

(8:03:19 PM) jimbro: Hii Sean

(8:03:32 PM) jimbro: Yep

(8:03:33 PM) CoolHand: hi jimbro

(8:03:38 PM) kejava: anything new?

(8:04:26 PM) jimbro: Not Here that I know of-- Ask Randy please

(8:04:31 PM) kejava: has russ tobias stopped by tonight?

(8:04:50 PM) jimbro: Not that I know of

(8:05:42 PM) kejava: i've booting external usb ubuntu drives using virtualbox. thought he might like that for his project.

(8:06:37 PM) jimbro: Try Rich Sias -- He's doing virtual box last I Heard

(8:06:49 PM) rmg51: kejava: you missed all the fun at the release party

(8:08:03 PM) kejava: rmg51, yeah. couldn't go. had a bunch of work to do for an old client. hope you had fun :)

(8:08:58 PM) rmg51: light turn out

(8:09:10 PM) kejava: not as much as last year?

(8:09:51 PM) rmg51: about 15

(8:10:59 PM) rmg51: the real fun was before most people came

(8:11:18 PM) rmg51: Jim and I almost got arrested

(8:13:15 PM) kejava: woah, what for?

(8:13:37 PM) kejava: public displays of affection?

(8:14:01 PM) rmg51: that wouldn't have been so bad

(8:14:46 PM) rmg51: we had a 14 year old who wanted to join us

(8:15:11 PM) jimbro: WOW go on

(8:15:55 PM) jimbro: I hope Teddy kept you safe

(8:16:07 PM) rmg51: he came with his mom who didn't think Drakes was the right place for her son

(8:16:07 PM) rmg51: so they left and she called the cops on us

(8:17:22 PM) rmg51: we had a bit of trouble explaining what we do

(8:17:50 PM) rmg51: but in the end they left with an Ubuntu disk

(8:18:06 PM) CoolHand: There you go.

(8:18:27 PM) kejava: rmg51, holy cacka. was that jthan and his mom?

(8:18:39 PM) rmg51: no

(8:18:44 PM) rmg51: Calvin

(8:19:01 PM) kejava: ah. now why did she call the cops?

(8:19:32 PM) rmg51: I think she thought we were up to no good

(8:19:54 PM) rmg51: trying to lure a 14 year old to a b ar

(8:19:57 PM) kejava: jeez that must have been a bit embarrassing for calvin.

(8:20:04 PM) kejava: well, you guys too

(8:20:34 PM) rmg51: Calvin didn't look to happy

(8:21:25 PM) rmg51: but it made for an interesting night

(8:21:43 PM) rmg51: and something different to talk about

(8:22:05 PM) CoolHand: sure is different allright

(8:22:16 PM) rmg51: could have been worse

(8:22:22 PM) CoolHand: I just installed Heron today

(8:22:45 PM) CoolHand: It could have, but good thing the cops were intelligent about it

(8:23:51 PM) CoolHand: Easy install

(8:23:52 PM) rmg51: ssweeny came as Indiana Jones

(8:23:53 PM) rmg51: with a whip

(8:24:02 PM) kejava: i just checked the loco chat logs. calvin hasn't shown himself since friday night. poor kid.

(8:24:35 PM) rmg51: mom might not let him

(8:25:44 PM) kejava: i really can't imagine being that age and meeting a bunch of older people at a tavern. i'm surprised the mom brought him.

(8:26:32 PM) kejava: i'm not saying it's wrong. but it all certainly is a bit of an odd situation.

(8:26:37 PM) rmg51: I think that's why she brought him

(8:27:33 PM) rmg51: makes it hard to bring the young ones on board

(8:30:47 PM) jimbro: What about the fact that Ubuntu is free?

(8:30:58 PM) kejava: rmg51, you still running ubuntu from an external drive?

(8:31:35 PM) rmg51: it's still there but I haven't booted to it for a long time

(8:32:02 PM) kejava: i wanted to tell russ about this but you may find it interesting too ...

(8:32:17 PM) rmg51: I need to update it so I can upgrade to Intrepid

(8:32:28 PM) kejava: rmg51, you see my comment earlier about running an external thru vbox?

(8:33:32 PM) kejava: rmg51, very handy if you normally run Windows but just want to plug a physical linux drive in every now and then.

(8:33:49 PM) rmg51: yep

(8:34:41 PM) kejava: i was figuring if russ was gonna buy some drives and put linux on them, might as well show them how to boot then an existing Windows install via vbox.

(8:35:05 PM) kejava: i was just doing to test the newly imaged NTR drives

(8:35:25 PM) rmg51: that's why the external doesn't get used

(8:35:29 PM) rmg51: with 2 Ubu boxes I don't need the external

(8:36:21 PM) kejava: yep, if it wasn't for the ntr project i wouldn't have even considered trying it for this purpose.

(8:37:38 PM) kejava: any of you ripping DVDs and encoding them to other formats?

(8:37:47 PM) rmg51: that might get a little complicated for them

(8:37:59 PM) kejava: don't bother. it takes FOREVER!

(8:38:18 PM) rmg51: I know I've done it

(8:38:30 PM) kejava: in win or linux?

(8:38:39 PM) rmg51: both

(8:38:53 PM) kejava: take just as long in win?

(8:39:05 PM) rmg51: Thoggen in Ubuntu

(8:39:19 PM) rmg51: fast in Windows

(8:39:37 PM) rmg51: dvdshrink in Windows

(8:39:54 PM) rmg51: mostly to make ISO's

(8:40:31 PM) rmg51: Thoggen to rip to hard drive

(8:40:47 PM) rmg51: that can take up to 5 hours

(8:40:53 PM) kejava: approx how long did it take in win?

(8:41:06 PM) kejava: i mean for the whole rip/encode

(8:41:42 PM) kejava: bout 1/2 that?

(8:42:16 PM) rmg51: to make an ISO about 30-40 minutes

(8:42:30 PM) kejava: here's the apps i've been playing with in ubu: dvdrip, acidrip, ogmrip, thoggen

(8:42:38 PM) rmg51: about 45 to rip to the hard drive

(8:42:38 PM) kejava: just added thoggen :)

(8:43:06 PM) rmg51: acidrip has never worked right for me

(8:43:30 PM) kejava: yeah, the ISO rip must be the same on both platforms. i'm seeing about 30-40 minutes in ubu.

(8:43:35 PM) rmg51: when it did work it was much faster then Thoggen

(8:44:27 PM) kejava: i liked acidrip more than dvd::rip. but now i'm liking ogmrip more than all.

(8:44:46 PM) kejava: but yes, acidrip was quite fast

(8:45:14 PM) kejava: my main problem so far has been determining the right settings

(8:45:46 PM) kejava: i want to output file to work with my DVD play (supports divx) when i burn the file to a DVD

(8:45:53 PM) kejava: it's VERY picky

(8:49:21 PM) rmg51: installing ogmrip now

(8:50:06 PM) rmg51: maybe it will work were acidrip doesn't

(8:50:57 PM) kejava: it definitely has a cleaner interface. they also have slimmed down the options. depending on what you select, it can take forever.

(8:51:13 PM) kejava: i'm playing with thoggen now. i like it.

(8:51:58 PM) rmg51: I just like to have movies with me

(8:52:17 PM) rmg51: prefer not to carry disks

(8:53:12 PM) rmg51: Thoggen just takes forever to rip stuff

(8:55:58 PM) kejava: do you usually rip to ISO first?

(8:56:10 PM) rmg51: no

(8:56:35 PM) rmg51: only if I what to copy a disk

(8:56:47 PM) kejava: that could speed things up a bit, especially if you find yourself experimenting with different formats

(8:56:54 PM) rmg51: otherwise I just rip to the hard drive

(8:57:13 PM) rmg51: I just use ogg

(8:57:43 PM) rmg51: Thoggen doesn't give you many options

(8:57:52 PM) rmg51: it only rips to ogg

(8:58:44 PM) kejava: i'm testing thoggen with an iso now. the ogg video format doesn't seem too bad. hoping there's a config for speeding it up.

(9:00:55 PM) rmg51: never tried an ISO with Thoggen

(9:01:08 PM) kejava: rmg51, gotta love thoggen's preferences dialog, only one option!

(9:01:52 PM) rmg51: I did a few with Dvd::rip

(9:02:37 PM) rmg51: yeah, very easy

(9:02:52 PM) kejava: the cropping gui in thoggen is awesome

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(9:05:47 PM) VirtualUbuntuUse is now known as kb3ui

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(9:09:15 PM) kb3ui: BoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

(9:09:22 PM) kejava: rmg51, you wanna speed up thoggen? drop the image size and quality way down. still takes forever though. i wonder why

(9:09:24 PM) kb3ui: Leftover from Halloween.

(9:10:01 PM) kejava: kb3ui, heh. you still need to get it all out. me too. i want to keep lighting the candles in my pumpkins.

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(9:10:49 PM) kb3ui: You're right, Pumpkin Ankle!

(9:11:34 PM) kejava: haha, that name has got be almost 10 years old now

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(9:12:04 PM) kb3ui: Did I hear that you're now with Boeing, Kevin?

(9:13:05 PM) kejava: kb3ui, almost. the start changed from Oct 31st to Nov 7th.

(9:13:23 PM) kejava: taking their HR forever to get me processed

(9:13:36 PM) kb3ui: So you missed the strike! Just as well! Anyway, congratulations on the new job!

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(9:14:13 PM) kejava: thanks! honestly, i haven't followed the strike. didnt' that happen out west?

(9:14:28 PM) kejava: or was it all boeing locations?

(9:14:52 PM) kb3ui: I just hope they're not a "fly by night" operation :) I thought it involved their Delaware County plant at least - that's why the settlement made news here, I think.

(9:15:04 PM) rmg51: I got caught up in the netsplit

(9:15:15 PM) kb3ui: netsplit ? rmg51

(9:15:37 PM) rmg51: when everyone get bumped off

(9:15:55 PM) kb3ui: I feel slighted. No one bumped *me* off this time!

(9:16:13 PM) kb3ui: Just you and jimbro.

(9:16:22 PM) kb3ui: Even teddy got spared.

(9:16:41 PM) kb3ui: FreeBuzzbee got booted as well.

(9:17:13 PM) kb3ui: kejava, am I wrong, or are the engineers at Boeing unionized?

(9:17:31 PM) rmg51: kb3ui: you got bumped as well

(9:17:43 PM) rmg51: at least from what I see

(9:17:49 PM) kb3ui: If so, I wasn't aware of it. Strange!

(9:17:52 PM) kejava: kb3ui, could be both, that's how L3 is. however, i know that I will not be part of the union.

(9:18:21 PM) jimbro: You don't have to be part of a union to be affected

(9:18:47 PM) kb3ui: That sounds good. Better that there be a union but not you. That way, you get better pay to keep the union from organizing you, but on the other hand, you never have to go on strike.

(9:20:04 PM) kb3ui: Anyway, you missed the strike and its reprecussions, which could have resulted in a greater delay in your being hired.

(9:20:52 PM) kb3ui: Should be nice, getting a regular paycheck, benefits, all that good stuff!

(9:21:09 PM) kejava: the delay is really freaking my out. i don't NEED this job but i really look forward to doing the work. should be a real challenge.

(9:21:39 PM) kejava: yeah, i guess getting regular-anything will be nice :)

(9:21:59 PM) kejava: the past 5 years of my business have been anything but regular

(9:22:08 PM) kb3ui: Having been a contractor, you're used to hitting the ground running. My guess is that you'll likely be impatient waiting to get to the real work, following a lot of training and orientation stuff.

(9:22:25 PM) kejava: kb3ui, have you seen my comments on using vbox with external ubuntu drives?

(9:22:47 PM) kb3ui: Large companies tend to take a longer time to do anything! No, I haven't seen your comments on vbox - where are they?

(9:23:45 PM) kejava: wasn't sure if this is getting logged in real time somewhere like the loco chat

(9:24:14 PM) kejava: kb3ui, for the ntr project i've making piles of xubuntu drives

(9:24:39 PM) kejava: kb3ui, sometimes after making a master xubu drive, i like to do a quick test without having to reboot.

(9:25:02 PM) kejava: kb3ui, i plug the drive into a usb-ide adapter and boot it via vbox

(9:25:23 PM) kb3ui: Sounds like a good application for vbox, I agree!

(9:25:25 PM) kejava: kb3ui, i was surprised at how well it worked

(9:25:38 PM) kb3ui: Good!

(9:25:52 PM) kejava: kb3ui, i'm just curious if you could used that with your Windows users that are interested in running ubuntu

(9:26:16 PM) kb3ui: What was the host system for vbox - Windows or Linux?

(9:26:20 PM) kejava: buy those drives, install ubuntu to them, let them try it from Windows via vbox

(9:26:48 PM) kejava: for my setup, the host was Ubuntu but it should work the same for Windows

(9:27:21 PM) kb3ui: What would be the advantage of doing that over using a Ubuntu virtual drive - better performance?

(9:27:49 PM) kejava: i've read the performance could be increased but i'm not seeing that thru usb

(9:28:06 PM) kb3ui: The advantage of a virtual drive is that a user could just download it. Hard to do that with a real drive.

(9:28:11 PM) kejava: the main benefit could be for your situation alone

(9:28:36 PM) kejava: you can make the drives before the meeting.

(9:28:53 PM) kejava: if the users have to download the vm image, that could take forever

(9:30:27 PM) kejava: not having to transfer the image is one advantage. another one is being able to immediately drop the drive into the box is they decide they like it.

(9:30:52 PM) kb3ui: It should be doable either way. What are the specs of the USB drives you're working with? At the very least, I should try to design for it.

(9:30:55 PM) kejava: kb3ui, how big is your vdi file?

(9:32:26 PM) kejava: these are just regular 3.5" hard drives taken out of desktops at NTR. using and external power supply and a usb-ide adapter

(9:32:48 PM) kejava: the adapters cost about $4 each

(9:32:48 PM) kb3ui: Vdi files are about 2 GB so far. That's without any compression.

(9:33:07 PM) kb3ui: What size? and speed?

(9:34:20 PM) kb3ui: Want the speed to be as good at least as the host machine's.

(9:34:22 PM) kejava: don't know the drive speed. but at least the USB is 2.0.

(9:34:39 PM) kejava: what speed are you looking for?

(9:34:40 PM) kejava: rpm?

(9:34:49 PM) kejava: IDE vs SATA?

(9:34:56 PM) kb3ui: Seek time.

(9:35:14 PM) kejava: now you're just getting silly

(9:35:32 PM) kejava: you're going thru a usb adapter

(9:36:09 PM) kb3ui: If the external hard drive is slower than the host machine, then it could be slower than a virtual drive. But you would still have the advantage of not having to wait for a long download. I see your point - the usb is what slows it down, not the hard drive speed.

(9:36:58 PM) kejava: it's really not slow while in use. just during massive drive reads, like boot up. even that isn't terribly slow

(9:37:20 PM) kb3ui: I think that speed isn't the objective here, it's simplicity. And you've got a good point that we should look into doing something like that as an alternative to a virtual drive.

(9:38:02 PM) kb3ui: Still, are these 2 GB drives, or bigger?

(9:38:18 PM) kejava: yeah, and i figured that since you may be getting hard drives for anyone that wants to dual boot, why not try this out too :)

(9:38:51 PM) kejava: the drives are 7 GB but only about 2GB of space is taken up.

(9:39:12 PM) kejava: i can even give you a simple script for imaging the drives :)

(9:39:26 PM) kb3ui: What's on the drive - Ubuntu?

(9:39:30 PM) kejava: xubuntu

(9:40:01 PM) kb3ui: That's exactly what I'm working with here. Yes, that does sound interesting.

(9:40:06 PM) kejava: but if you make one drive with ubu on it, the script can just make copies of that

(9:40:27 PM) kejava: oh, you're working with xubu too?

(9:40:47 PM) kb3ui: Yes, that's what I have working right now under Virtual Box.

(9:41:21 PM) kb3ui: I'd like to see a copy of what you have on your sample drive.

(9:41:43 PM) kejava: great. i'm finding it nice to work with so far. the small footprint also makes imaging a breeze. takes about 7 minutes for the script to finish the image.

(9:42:18 PM) kb3ui: How much to buy one of them, for my use?

(9:42:53 PM) FreeBuzzbee: I was a bit tired, now rested. Am back.

(9:43:10 PM) kb3ui: You've been as "busy as a bee", I see!

(9:43:27 PM) kejava: kb3ui, you want of my NTR drives? or just any blank NTR drive?

(9:44:15 PM) kb3ui: I'd like one of yours, fully configured with the Xubuntu you're giving out. That would also resolve what should be made available to others, since you've already done that.

(9:46:46 PM) kejava: kb3ui, i can just give you one, no charge. NTR wouldn't mind. not sure how i'd get it to you though.

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(9:47:31 PM) kejava: kb3ui, not sure if you're into bash scripting or not ... but here's my the present script i made for cloning the drive:

(9:47:32 PM) kejava: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67077/

(9:47:45 PM) kb3ui: I know they're a non-profit organization - at least I'd want to reimburse them for their cost. Are these packaged suitable for shipping? I could arrange for UPS to pick up.

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(9:49:03 PM) kb3ui: I'm not "bash" full about using bash.

(9:49:14 PM) kejava: kb3ui, nope. they're not packaged. i'd have to find something.

(9:49:38 PM) kb3ui: Alternatively, I could buy a blank drive, and ask you to send me the software.

(9:50:01 PM) kb3ui: Better though if you've already set it up.

(9:51:23 PM) kejava: well, i could just upload the drive's image somewhere. compressed it's under 600MB. then you can use the script to image the drive.

(9:51:50 PM) kb3ui: That should work.

(9:52:05 PM) kejava: it would be great to have someone else testing this out too :)

(9:52:12 PM) kb3ui: Any suggestions on where to buy the drive?

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(9:52:43 PM) kb3ui: That's what PACS Linux friends are for. We've got plenty here. Also, I could test this at work.

(9:53:03 PM) jimbro: Hi Norm

(9:53:20 PM) kb3ui: Good evening, Norm! Good to see you!

(9:53:40 PM) Norm76: Hello Jimbro, Russ and everybody.

(9:55:46 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Hi Norm76

(9:56:29 PM) kb3ui: Kevin, we live on opposite sides of the city, I know. If you could e-mail me with the disk image and where you got the hardware, as well as the image, I could probably handle the rest.

(9:56:35 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Who was the CoolHand person ? One of the 4 new ones from Sept meeting?

(9:57:06 PM) jimbro: Yes

(9:58:10 PM) kejava: kb3ui, yeah. i'll start to upload the image somewhere tonight. i'm not sure where you can get a drive though. you can try NTR but i'm not sure if they even sell them.

(9:58:16 PM) jimbro: Pat say Jedi gave him something and he hit the ground running

(9:58:17 PM) FreeBuzzbee: I am deep into learning the LVM under ubuntu. I may eventually have something to teach / present at Sat meeting some month.

(9:58:59 PM) kejava: kb3ui, you prefer the densitometer or the mindspring email address?

(9:59:15 PM) kb3ui: densitometer

(9:59:58 PM) FreeBuzzbee: kb3ui: Are you interested in newer more modern drive (i.e. SATA) or only want older <30Gig PATA type drive for the above activities?

(10:00:17 PM) kejava: kb3ui, if you would prefer a drive. i should be able to dig up some packing material and a box. just could take a bit.

(10:00:39 PM) kb3ui: Newer. They tend to come down in price over time.

(10:00:47 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Locally new drives go pretty resonable at MicroCenter. Otherwise order on line is pretty quick.

(10:01:22 PM) Norm76: Hello FreeBuzzbee

(10:01:25 PM) kb3ui: I'd rather go online, as that would provide a supplier that all of us could use, if necessary.

(10:01:26 PM) FreeBuzzbee: ZipZoomFly.com sometimes has great deals (w/ rebates) on drives etc.

(10:01:37 PM) kb3ui: That's what I'm looking for. Thanks, Rich.

(10:01:48 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Hi Norm76 (aka InHisName)

(10:02:18 PM) Norm76: I didn't know which Rich you might be.

(10:02:21 PM) kb3ui: Rich, you do know that you can use the /nick to change your logon to InHisName.

(10:02:24 PM) kb3ui: ?

(10:02:49 PM) FreeBuzzbee: I bought my 750Gig from frys.com for $109 back in May. In Jan bought 400Gig from MicroCenter for $90.

(10:03:32 PM) FreeBuzzbee: I am on diff machine. Don't want the other one to have nick collisons. It keeps changing names.

(10:03:42 PM) kb3ui: Kevin, I'd rather not put you through the trouble for shipping. Rich, we're looking for around 7 GB SATA, which we'll hook up to a ATA/USB converter.

(10:04:07 PM) kb3ui: InHisName, InHisName1 - it will make them uniquie.

(10:04:11 PM) kb3ui: unique.

(10:04:34 PM) kb3ui: Rich, try it and see.

(10:04:39 PM) FreeBuzzbee: My normal machine (with 750Gig drive) is booted with LIveCD (gparted) and I am attemtping to resize a volume group in an LVM.

(10:04:53 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Can't do it in gparted, need LVM to do it.

(10:05:27 PM) FreeBuzzbee: This OpenLinux classroom started today and is sucking up lotta my time too.

(10:05:59 PM) kb3ui: Kevin, I gather that it doesn't matter what drive I get, as the USB/IDE will work with any. Guess I'll get the least expensive IDE drive available.

(10:06:29 PM) kb3ui: OpenLinux classroom? Please tell us more about it.

(10:06:51 PM) FreeBuzzbee: ok

(10:07:37 PM) kb3ui: Your IRC client will make your name unique, if needed.

(10:08:14 PM) FreeBuzzbee: 10am to 5pm this week M-F log into #ubuntu-classroom (lecture) and #ubuntu-classroom-chat ( questions)

(10:08:31 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Logs are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs

(10:08:57 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Also can see class titles and presenters names at log site.

(10:09:55 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Today was mostly about bugs. How cannocial handles bugs, the reporting of bugs, the processing of bugs, etc.

(10:10:37 PM) jimbro: How do I save this information?:)

(10:11:03 PM) kb3ui: If Randy is with us, he'll post the transcript of this chat.

(10:11:19 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Also about bazaar a version tracking program. i.e. versions of resumes, programs, etc. It is used by cannocial for tracking programs and bugs and all updates etc.

(10:11:33 PM) kb3ui: Where Rich just said https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs

(10:11:59 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Can select a chunk and paste it into a text file is quick way to save a snippet.

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(10:16:33 PM) kb3ui: Another network split?

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(10:17:08 PM) rmg51: no

(10:17:29 PM) Norm76: Jimbro is using the web client page I setup.

(10:17:32 PM) rmg51: just a few who can't stay in

(10:18:56 PM) Norm76: I suspect that he clicked on the link Rich provided and the browser changed the web client page to display the link destination.

(10:19:58 PM) Norm76: Trying something https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs

(10:20:40 PM) Norm76: Maybe not--my Firefox opened the link in a new tab.

(10:21:01 PM) Norm76: ...from the web client link click.

(10:21:14 PM) kb3ui: ok.

(10:27:53 PM) rmg51: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1345

(10:28:36 PM) kejava: rmg51, fyi i'm still encoding my DVD :(

(10:28:56 PM) rmg51: that's Thoggen for you

(10:29:13 PM) rmg51: just let it run overnight

(10:29:27 PM) kejava: actually, this is ogmrip

(10:30:15 PM) kejava: says it only has 10 more minutes, but i believe it still has one more pass to go (2-pass video encode)

(10:30:35 PM) kejava: another thing I'm shocked by is how long resizing a partition takes in gparted.

(10:30:55 PM) kejava: guess it makes sense when you look at all the stuff it has to do.

(10:32:27 PM) kb3ui: I've got a big day ahead of me tomorrow, so I think I'll call it an evening here early.

(10:32:53 PM) kb3ui: kejava - thanks for all of your good ideas and help.

(10:33:24 PM) kejava: kb3ui, no prob. have a good night

(10:33:26 PM) kb3ui: I hope to see you all next Monday here, and expect to be at the November meeting.

(10:33:32 PM) kb3ui: Good night.

(10:33:36 PM) kejava: kb3ui, will let you know when i get that image uploaded

(10:33:53 PM) kb3ui: Thanks, I'll be looking for it. Whenever you get a chance.

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(10:34:11 PM) kejava: i'm out too

(10:34:14 PM) kejava: good night all

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(10:41:10 PM) rmg51: I guess it's time for bed,I'm falling asleep at the keyboard

(10:46:40 PM) FreeBuzzbee: all done now.

(10:46:52 PM) FreeBuzzbee: We have topic for Sat yet?

(10:48:24 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Norm76: anything else to say tonight? Randy?

(10:48:25 PM) rmg51: not this Sat, next Sat

(10:48:32 PM) FreeBuzzbee: yep

(10:48:34 PM) rmg51: we still have time

(10:48:54 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Sooooo, no topic yet and one monday to go......

(10:49:17 PM) Norm76: Perhaps we should go over Ubuntu 8.10 now that it's officially out.

(10:49:56 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Oh, yea. I think that is what was planned for Nov. Maybe I could be ready for the LVM by then.

(10:50:08 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Dec

(10:50:37 PM) Norm76: I want to do a fresh install on my notebook and see if the updates x-system will help with the projector problems I had in Sept.

(10:51:17 PM) Norm76: updated^

(10:55:23 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Well we can all go now. and leave Howdy all alone.

(10:55:36 PM) FreeBuzzbee: Nite all

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(10:59:20 PM) Norm76: Goodnight group

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