July 21st, 2008 Chat Session

IRC Chat on Freenode.net/#pacslinux

(07:25:27 PM) yoda_van [n=jim_fish@unaffiliated/jedijf] entered the room.

(07:25:35 PM) teddy-dbear [n=teddy-db@c-71-230-172-98.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] entered the room.

(07:29:46 PM) jimbro [i=d1564960@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1eb4d8c9d80246db] entered the room.

(07:30:52 PM) jimbro: Hello The Room

(07:31:09 PM) teddy-dbear: hi jimbro

(07:31:24 PM) jimbro: Monsieur DBear

(07:31:49 PM) jimbro: Very happy to see you again

(07:32:04 PM) teddy-dbear: early yet, I hope you can stick around for a while

(07:32:30 PM) jimbro: So Do I

(07:32:51 PM) jimbro: I have been having some memory problems

(07:33:31 PM) jimbro: Hello Mr Yoda_van

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(07:35:28 PM) jimbro [i=d1564960@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c1bbb81143472d49] entered the room.

(07:37:12 PM) yoda_van: hello jimbro - long time no irc

(07:37:59 PM) jimbro: I know the Great JEDI master Yoda

(07:38:41 PM) jimbro: My computer had to be replaced and the new one had memory problems

(07:39:27 PM) jimbro: Always something!!!

(07:39:38 PM) jimbro: How are you?

(07:40:54 PM) jimbro: A Warm and hearty handshake to you

(07:41:26 PM) yoda_van: i am well - project and work laden but i keep waking up every day :)

(07:42:29 PM) jimbro: Last time I was hear you were supposed to be opening up an new route in the First State

(07:42:50 PM) yoda_van: training a driver for that route now

(07:43:28 PM) jimbro: A whip and a Chair and a gun full of Blanks?

(07:43:45 PM) yoda_van: blanks

(07:43:51 PM) yoda_van: you don't know me well

(07:44:15 PM) jimbro: You don't want to kill the poor soul

(07:44:34 PM) yoda_van: actually this week he is doing well

(07:44:43 PM) yoda_van: but then again today is only monday

(07:44:45 PM) jimbro: I thought supply issued only blanks

(07:48:48 PM) jimbro: Then Where

(07:51:05 PM) jimbro: BTW Randy FYI Ubuntu needs 256MB of memory for the Installer

(07:52:07 PM) rmg: only for the live cd

(07:52:18 PM) rmg: the alt will work on less

(07:52:30 PM) jimbro: How much less

(07:53:04 PM) yoda_van: 64

(07:53:19 PM) jimbro: WOW that is a lot less

(07:53:21 PM) yoda_van: so 192 less would be the answer

(07:53:52 PM) jimbro: Has any body got an alt copy

(07:54:45 PM) rmg: I do

(07:55:12 PM) jimbro: Could You Burn me a copy

(07:55:34 PM) rmg: faster if you download it yourself

(07:55:35 PM) yoda_van: jimbro, what are the specs of your new machine

(07:55:53 PM) rmg: since we don't meet again til Sept

(07:56:20 PM) jimbro: 2.3Ghz,200GB HD,500MB Ram

(07:57:00 PM) yoda_van: do you have a live cd for hardy heron?

(07:57:29 PM) jimbro: Yes so I should just go with that

(07:57:37 PM) yoda_van: wubi

(07:58:13 PM) jimbro: Which Means?

(07:58:31 PM) yoda_van: are you in windows now

(07:58:32 PM) yoda_van: ?

(07:58:39 PM) jimbro: yes

(07:58:53 PM) yoda_van: put the disk in

(07:59:37 PM) jimbro: Roger

(07:59:53 PM) yoda_van: did it autostart?

(08:00:15 PM) jimbro: yes

(08:00:33 PM) yoda_van: what is the 2nd thing it says

(08:01:20 PM) jimbro: Install inside Windows

(08:01:30 PM) yoda_van: bingo - wubi

(08:09:08 PM) jimbro: It says to reboot now but I don't want to lose you guys

(08:11:54 PM) rmg: we'll be here when you get back

(08:12:15 PM) jimbro: OK Thanks

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(08:44:23 PM) kejava [n=kejava@216-164-140-98.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com] entered the room.

(08:46:19 PM) kejava: where is everybody? doesn't anyone meet here at 8:30 anymore?

(08:46:26 PM) jimbro [i=d1564923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3a6869a80d43968c] entered the room.

(08:46:48 PM) kejava: hi jimbro

(08:47:02 PM) jimbro: Hi Kejava

(08:47:35 PM) jimbro: Just got back from installing Ubuntu 8.04

(08:47:48 PM) kejava: it's been a while since i've been here. you part of pacs linux sig?

(08:48:20 PM) kejava: are you liking 8.04? run into any video or wireless issues?

(08:48:26 PM) jimbro: Yes but I haven't been active because of computer problems

(08:48:45 PM) kejava: bummer. what kind of issues?

(08:49:02 PM) jimbro: Just now put it in with the help of these fine gentlemen

(08:49:37 PM) jimbro: Memory and my motherboard died on the old one

(08:49:42 PM) kejava: ah, randy and jim helped you. cool.

(08:49:52 PM) yoda_van: wubi

(08:50:20 PM) jimbro: Willyou cut that out

(08:50:30 PM) kejava: yoda_van: ah interesting. wubi is his ubuntu 8.04 install?

(08:50:42 PM) yoda_van: wubi

(08:51:02 PM) teddy-dbear: wubi

(08:51:03 PM) yoda_van: yes

(08:51:04 PM) jimbro: Snarf

(08:51:55 PM) yoda_van: yeah, it is appropriate sometimes

(08:53:59 PM) kejava: my sister is supposed to call me tonight about hooking up a mini-dv camcorder to her ubuntu pc using firewire. any of you done that before? my guess is the easy way to do it is to use Kino. i'm just not sure what device it talks to yet.

(08:55:02 PM) jimbro: Good Luck I'll cross my fingers and toes and eyes for you

(08:55:20 PM) kejava: ok, i may have to plunge into the fires of #ubuntu. or i'll just google a bit.

(08:55:57 PM) kejava: yes. crossing as many of your body parts is greatly appreciated :D

(08:56:30 PM) rmg: kejava: are we still on for Sat?

(08:56:50 PM) kejava: nope. i'm done. you read my last email to the list?

(08:57:03 PM) rmg: yep

(08:57:17 PM) rmg: just never sure what's going on

(08:57:25 PM) kejava: sorry. i guess i didn't really specify that THIS saturday was off the table.

(08:57:44 PM) kejava: wah-wah

(08:58:01 PM) rmg: just waiting for a computer so we can enter the rest of the laptops

(08:58:40 PM) kejava: did that today. printed out the 10 sheets. only took an hour to do it.

(08:59:08 PM) kejava: i got really pissed off at them. i can't go there more than once a month anymore.

(09:00:08 PM) rmg: just let me know when you are ready to start something else

(09:00:16 PM) kejava: the sheets are sitting with the laptops on the shelves. they said only 2 or 3 should be out there at one time. there were already 2 out there so I said ef it, i'm out of here.

(09:01:54 PM) kejava: rmg51: not sure if i ever mentioned it but thanks a lot for all of your help. it's been fun.

(09:02:15 PM) rmg: all is good

(09:02:34 PM) rmg: we don't need to be there every day

(09:02:54 PM) rmg: but we don't want to lose them

(09:04:19 PM) kejava: yeah, that's why i'm focusing on only the Bring a Computer Workshop day

(09:04:46 PM) kejava: lots of people show up. it ends up being like a mini-install-fest

(09:04:51 PM) kejava: every month

(09:05:03 PM) rmg: the only problem with that is it's on the 3rd Sat

(09:05:12 PM) kejava: hush. i don' t care

(09:05:19 PM) rmg: PACS Sat

(09:05:30 PM) jimbro: of every month

(09:05:54 PM) rmg: it just means nobody in this group will be able to help out

(09:06:03 PM) jimbro: Thats got to be a grind

(09:06:13 PM) jimbro: So train us

(09:06:29 PM) rmg: it's the same day PACS meets

(09:06:38 PM) rmg: pick one

(09:07:12 PM) jimbro: The week before Pacs Saturday

(09:07:13 PM) kejava: the workshop is from 2-5. if someone wants to do pacs in the morning, they can do the workshop later from 3-5. i've done it.

(09:07:55 PM) rmg: we meet 1-3

(09:08:16 PM) rmg: not going to be easy to get down there on time

(09:08:35 PM) kejava: don't care. nobody has to be on time for any of this.

(09:09:01 PM) rmg: it's close to an hour

(09:09:15 PM) yoda_van: how bad did they piss you off today?

(09:09:22 PM) kejava: rmg51: how many people from pacs have gone to our laptop session? mostly you and me lately.

(09:09:39 PM) rmg: I know

(09:09:44 PM) kejava: yoda_van: in a very bad way. but it's really been just building up.

(09:09:53 PM) jimbro: Sorry but I'm desktop

(09:09:54 PM) rmg: which means I won't get there

(09:11:04 PM) kejava: rmg51: i'm sorry to lose you to pacs. maybe something will change later.

(09:11:19 PM) rmg: time will tell

(09:11:40 PM) rmg: we have to see how things work out with the new location

(09:11:50 PM) kejava: the thing is there were 3 other linux supporters at the workshop. what i lose to pacs i gain at the workshop.

(09:12:18 PM) yoda_van: really? who

(09:12:22 PM) kejava: the new pacs location sounds great. near the train.

(09:12:31 PM) rmg: there is still a problem with scheduling some of the sigs

(09:12:54 PM) yoda_van: kejava, who were the other linux supporters?

(09:12:57 PM) rmg: wiht only 4 rooms things are tight

(09:13:05 PM) kejava: yoda_van: two dude from the hacktory/make. and the some other guy i've known thru NTR, have to dig up his name.

(09:13:18 PM) yoda_van: hacktory ftw

(09:13:38 PM) kejava: then there's Ed, who wasn't there Sat. so actually 4 guys.

(09:13:56 PM) yoda_van: he was in ny prolly

(09:14:13 PM) kejava: yoda_van: Bill Finn was the other guy.

(09:14:52 PM) kejava: so almost half the helpers are linux supports at the workshop

(09:15:19 PM) kejava: how many people are showing to the linuxsig?

(09:15:40 PM) rmg: anybody hear from MALT?

(09:15:51 PM) yoda_van: nope

(09:16:04 PM) rmg: we never know how many are going to show

(09:16:13 PM) yoda_van: figured you'd go and let me know

(09:16:17 PM) yoda_van: lol

(09:16:19 PM) kejava: how many were at the last two, approx?

(09:16:20 PM) rmg: we usually get at least 6

(09:16:48 PM) rmg: I was hoping you would be there too

(09:17:07 PM) yoda_van: i may call greg

(09:17:16 PM) rmg: that way there would be two of us standing around waiting

(09:17:20 PM) yoda_van: so you don't have to go for nothing

(09:17:29 PM) yoda_van: they may have taken the summer off

(09:17:32 PM) yoda_van: then the fall

(09:17:37 PM) yoda_van: then winter

(09:17:43 PM) rmg: it would be nice to know if they are meeting

(09:17:44 PM) kejava: lol

(09:17:59 PM) yoda_van: i'll call greg

(09:18:02 PM) yoda_van: tues

(09:18:07 PM) yoda_van: tomorrow

(09:18:18 PM) rmg: they may have to wait til their room is all set up

(09:18:29 PM) yoda_van: who knows

(09:18:58 PM) kejava: why aren't there more people in this channel? has attendance been this bad for some time?

(09:19:04 PM) rmg: with MACC meeting at the same time there is no place for CVG to meet

(09:19:19 PM) rmg: yep

(09:19:20 PM) yoda_van: oh that's right a class started

(09:19:33 PM) yoda_van: could be over by now - they don't run long

(09:20:03 PM) rmg: but won't another one start?

(09:20:23 PM) yoda_van: maybe not till fall

(09:20:50 PM) yoda_van: kejava, stan is restricting bring a computer - how many bringers are there?

(09:21:33 PM) kejava: err ... ah, lemme check. he sent out an email stating all that crap. hold on.

(09:21:48 PM) yoda_van: 10 or 15 i think i read

(09:22:15 PM) kejava: 10

(09:22:48 PM) yoda_van: do his people do anything or is it primarily volunteer

(09:24:02 PM) kb3ui [n=kb3ui@h-67-100-130-197.phlapafg.dynamic.covad.net] entered the room.

(09:24:14 PM) kejava: Steve and Stan were there helping. Chuck stopped by but I didn't see him help anyone. There was a new woman who was like a hostess. Greeted you and sat you down with someone.

(09:24:30 PM) rmg: CVG is no longer listed on the MALT wed site

(09:25:04 PM) kejava: yoda_van: it was almost a 1 to 1 ratio

(09:25:04 PM) yoda_van: was it previously?

(09:25:16 PM) rmg: yep

(09:25:49 PM) rmg: I wanted to see if they had any info about their meetings

(09:26:35 PM) yoda_van: kejava, so how do you handle it; having to deal with windows issues

(09:27:16 PM) kejava: yoda_van: heh. for some reason i've lucked out. most people end up leaving with Ubuntu ;-)

(09:27:28 PM) yoda_van: haha

(09:27:42 PM) yoda_van: that's one way of dealing with it ;)

(09:27:53 PM) kejava: yoda_van: just kidding. i had a dma issue with one guys DVD player a while back. i figured it out.

(09:28:35 PM) kejava: yoda_van: i have to admit, i don't know much about windows. but the problems i get with it at the workshop are usually easy to figure out.

(09:28:42 PM) rmg: http://home.comcast.net/~malt02/

(09:28:53 PM) rmg: http://mcvg.blogspot.com/

(09:29:07 PM) rmg: found these but they are old

(09:29:37 PM) kejava: yoda_van: you think PASUG would like an install-fest for their next September meeting?

(09:30:16 PM) kejava: yoda_van: i think i told you i asked mlcug. no response yet. my guess is they're not interested.

(09:30:28 PM) yoda_van: i have two messages from their leader that i haven't even checked yet

(09:30:34 PM) yoda_van: oops

(09:30:56 PM) yoda_van: they did virtualbox the month before

(09:31:08 PM) kejava: hah-hah, larry strikes again

(09:31:23 PM) yoda_van: brents eeepc is coming soon - pushed back a little

(09:32:06 PM) yoda_van: i know larry was excited about 8.04.1

(09:32:09 PM) kejava: does pasug have anything scheduled for september, i didn't see anything on the site

(09:32:28 PM) yoda_van: i guess i will find out tomorrow when i return his call

(09:32:45 PM) kejava: get him hooked on wicd too

(09:32:54 PM) kejava: i'm still happy with it :)

(09:33:04 PM) yoda_van: me too actually

(09:33:15 PM) kejava: kb3ui: how yah doin? didn't notice you sneak in here.

(09:33:20 PM) kb3ui: Speaking of Virtual Box, I got Xubuntu 8.04 to run under it with 74 Megs RAM. Just tried it out, but it looks promising.

(09:33:33 PM) kb3ui: How are you, Kevin! Great to hear from you again.

(09:33:36 PM) yoda_van: even though nm 0.70 looks interesting

(09:34:06 PM) kejava: yoda_van: yeah, when is that getting into ubu?

(09:34:15 PM) yoda_van: ii maybe'

(09:34:24 PM) yoda_van: you can build it off the dailies

(09:34:37 PM) yoda_van: 3 separate builds

(09:35:03 PM) yoda_van: one for the applet

(09:35:23 PM) kejava: oh man, have you tried it yet?

(09:35:27 PM) yoda_van: looks like the real deal; finally

(09:35:38 PM) kejava: i mean, tried to build it yet

(09:35:40 PM) yoda_van: not yet - was gonna

(09:36:03 PM) yoda_van: ended up hex editing cmos instead

(09:36:11 PM) yoda_van: long story

(09:36:36 PM) kejava: haha, easy to get sidetracked when dealing with build dependencies

(09:37:11 PM) yoda_van: nah stupid ibm bios bs - remember the humminbird?

(09:37:23 PM) yoda_van: useless

(09:37:34 PM) kejava: no way! you're still messing with that piece of trash?

(09:37:57 PM) yoda_van: irq conflict with on board serial and pcmcia wireless broadband card

(09:38:14 PM) yoda_van: but no way to disble on board via bios

(09:38:14 PM) kejava: turn off serial in the bios?

(09:38:18 PM) kejava: damn

(09:38:37 PM) yoda_van: so i started playing with cmos directly

(09:38:47 PM) yoda_van: turned off on board ram

(09:38:55 PM) yoda_van: swing and a miss

(09:39:32 PM) kejava: how'd you do all that? did you hex edit a cmos update file?

(09:40:11 PM) yoda_van: believe it or not thru that useless bios you can get right into cmos editor :D

(09:41:03 PM) kejava: wow. now why the hell would they let a user do that? on top of it they give you a humming bird for a pointer. senseless.

(09:42:07 PM) kejava: here, you can hack the bios rom but first we're gonna put you in a dress.

(09:42:19 PM) yoda_van: hahaha

(09:42:38 PM) yoda_van: actually i now know the history of that hummingbird

(09:43:00 PM) yoda_van: the easy setup bios developer was japanese and apparently the humminbird was meaningful

(09:43:13 PM) jimbro: They're called KILTs --Mon

(09:44:01 PM) kejava: lol, wait. that's the history of it? that's it?

(09:44:26 PM) yoda_van: kejava, get into the bios, goto config and ctrl d - bang into hex editor

(09:45:24 PM) kejava: yoda_van: how about this. open up laptop. douse with lighter fluid. ignite.

(09:46:19 PM) yoda_van: i really like this laptop - it's indestructable - flakey ram issues, but fits perfectly in van

(09:48:13 PM) yoda_van: i have to reinstall because i borked the interrupts config file - i get 3 ttys's 0,2,4 all uaart's 16650's (modems) one to many

(09:50:10 PM) yoda_van: and 2 and 4 havethe same irq :/

(09:50:11 PM) kejava: i can understand. i still plan to keep one of my old Dells C600s. It's old but i love it.

(09:51:32 PM) yoda_van: speaking of those dells, do you still have the ltsp dells?

(09:52:16 PM) kejava: yep, two are left. selling one as is. fixing up the other one.

(09:52:31 PM) yoda_van: or is the machine that chuck wanted us to put aside still available?

(09:53:07 PM) kejava: chuck's laptop is still available but remember he no likey because it lacks a battery.

(09:53:21 PM) yoda_van: don't care about battery

(09:53:34 PM) kejava: oh, this is for you?

(09:53:43 PM) yoda_van: yeah - plan b

(09:53:54 PM) yoda_van: maybe

(09:53:58 PM) kejava: don't you have enough laptops?

(09:54:12 PM) kejava: what about that sad, lonely mac?

(09:54:26 PM) yoda_van: heh, i am on that now

(09:54:48 PM) yoda_van: very specific requirements for the van laptop

(09:55:09 PM) yoda_van: need the ibm pointer thing instead of touchpad

(09:55:13 PM) kejava: but if i were to go with a craptop, it definitely be the Dell Latitude C600. lot's of cool expansion options.

(09:55:23 PM) yoda_van: and 12 inch screen

(09:55:39 PM) kejava: the dell has the pointer but I disconnected it. tended to drift.

(09:55:57 PM) yoda_van: hmm

(09:56:19 PM) kejava: by pointer, you mean that eraser head on a stick thing, right?

(09:56:28 PM) yoda_van: yeah eraser head

(09:56:37 PM) kejava: hmm, good movie.

(09:56:43 PM) yoda_van: best laptop mouse device ever

(09:56:47 PM) yoda_van: ever'

(09:57:17 PM) yoda_van: once you get used to it, you'll never touch another touchpad

(09:57:57 PM) kejava: they're ok. i believe my fingers have finally gotten used to the touch pad though.

(09:58:21 PM) kejava: i'm a real freak about using a track ball now. can't use any other mouse now.

(09:58:37 PM) yoda_van: been using the toshiba in the van for 2 weeks now - the things too big - 15.4" and had to go to my big 400watt inverter - 200 wouldn't power it

(09:58:41 PM) jimbro: Best way to go

(09:59:37 PM) kejava: jimbro: you agreeing on the trackball?

(09:59:46 PM) jimbro: Yessir

(10:00:06 PM) kejava: yoda_van: i don't think i'm familiar with the Toshiba. you always have something different. can't keep track.

(10:00:08 PM) jimbro: had one that I finally ruined after 7 years

(10:00:49 PM) jimbro: then Logitech had to change the name to TrackWheel

(10:01:04 PM) jimbro: Nobody carries anymore

(10:01:12 PM) rmg: optical mouse

(10:01:13 PM) kejava: nice. they certainly can take a beating. i think mine is one year number 4. have five of the same trackball model :)

(10:01:33 PM) yoda_van: kejava, toshiba has the adapter 'tail'

(10:01:40 PM) yoda_van: satanic box

(10:02:05 PM) kejava: yoda_van: oh yeah. the demon box would certainly need a tail. now i remember.

(10:02:21 PM) rmg: I used to use a track ball, but it kept giving me trouble

(10:03:44 PM) kejava: jimbro: i may be using the same one. is yours ergonomic and sleek looking? mine are downstairs. i forget the name of it. have to use your thumb for the ball though.

(10:04:28 PM) jimbro: yes with two buttons and a wheel inbetween

(10:04:53 PM) jimbro: fits right into your hand

(10:04:54 PM) kejava: yep, same model then. i also got the wireless version :D

(10:05:25 PM) kejava: best trackball eva!

(10:05:41 PM) jimbro: never wanted that because I wanted a mouse replacement

(10:06:54 PM) jimbro: that it was

(10:07:23 PM) jimbro: easy to clean and keep

(10:07:42 PM) kejava: i was trying to figure out a way to fit the whole trackball in some of sock (spandex) so that i could use it on the train. might look a bit strange though. was gonna put a bluetooth frogpad in the other hand. be a total freak on the train.

(10:07:51 PM) jimbro: one of the buttons died

(10:08:03 PM) kejava: sad. was about to ask.

(10:08:26 PM) kejava: did you try fixing it?

(10:08:44 PM) jimbro: couldn't get it open

(10:08:56 PM) kejava: sometimes the switches are so generic they can be easily replaced.

(10:09:10 PM) kejava: hmm, did i ever open mine ...

(10:09:28 PM) jimbro: Now I'd have to replace the connector too

(10:09:47 PM) jimbro: Everything is USB

(10:10:09 PM) kejava: the usb connector went bad too?

(10:10:53 PM) jimbro: No My trackball was so old the connector wast the old multi-pin

(10:11:20 PM) jimbro: all the new ones are USB

(10:12:07 PM) kejava: ah yes, that's what i have. all usb. i love. hate that ps2 junk. breaks too easy.

(10:12:35 PM) jimbro: I'll find one someday

(10:13:11 PM) yoda_van: way past my bedtime

(10:13:27 PM) kejava: same here

(10:13:32 PM) yoda_van: night folks

(10:13:33 PM) yoda_van left the room ("Time to make the donuts.").

(10:13:34 PM) kejava: better call it

(10:13:50 PM) jimbro: My wife has a whim of iron and she's starting to moan

(10:14:11 PM) jimbro: I'll see you gentlemen next week

(10:14:12 PM) kejava: nice meeting you jimbro, good night

(10:14:23 PM) jimbro: Adios

(10:14:24 PM) rmg: we had a good night, so we can end this anytime

(10:14:26 PM) kejava left the room ("Ex-Chat").

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(10:14:52 PM) rmg: kb3ui: still with us?

(10:16:32 PM) teddy-dbear: time for this teddy bear to call it a night

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