January 21st, 2008 Chat Session

IRC Chat on Freenode.net/#pacslinux

(07:38:00 PM) The topic for #pacslinux is: "Please Note PACS Meeting CHANGED TO JANUARY 26th"

(07:41:54 PM) burke-bear [n=burke-be@c-71-230-172-98.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] entered the room.

(07:47:51 PM) jedijf [n=jim_fish@unaffiliated/jedijf] entered the room.

(07:55:16 PM) Prayer: Helllllooooo ayone home yet ?

(07:56:30 PM) burke-bear: I'm here! :-D

(08:00:02 PM) Prayer: Unbearable! burke-bear

(08:01:25 PM) burke-bear: going to be a slow night

(08:03:12 PM) Prayer: why

(08:04:10 PM) burke-bear: ntr talk in LoCo room

(08:05:31 PM) Prayer: firewire wireless, laptops, ebay, dsl all last 10 min or so there.

(08:06:03 PM) Prayer: Any know about libtext-csv-perl ?

(09:07:42 PM) kb3ui [n=ubuntu@h-68-166-207-63.phlapafg.dynamic.covad.net] entered the room.

(09:07:59 PM) Prayer: howdy kb3ui

(09:08:22 PM) burke-bear: 'lo

(09:09:18 PM) kb3ui: Good evening, Rich, Randy, and the group!

(09:09:42 PM) Prayer: lets begin yakkin it up now.

(09:10:20 PM) kb3ui: jedijf - did you ever get a chance to upload your notes about Linux commands from the December meeting?

(09:10:34 PM) jedijf: not yet

(09:10:52 PM) jedijf: or rather, at this point; what notes?

(09:10:54 PM) kb3ui: Ok. Understand.

(09:11:18 PM) kb3ui: What notes? You had offered to upload what you had discussed last month's meeting.

(09:11:39 PM) jedijf: memory expires after 12 hours

(09:11:55 PM) kb3ui: Use static rather than dynamic RAM :)

(09:12:13 PM) kb3ui: Or at least you need a refresh cycle. That's where I come in!

(09:12:54 PM) kb3ui: I can't even remember what you had discussed!

(09:13:14 PM) kb3ui: That's why I wanted to look at the notes before next Saturday.

(09:13:44 PM) jedijf: locate - passwd - adduser

(09:14:08 PM) kb3ui: See? That did help! Now I remember!

(09:14:23 PM) kb3ui: Especially the locate command which I've since tried.

(09:14:30 PM) jedijf: locate or find / -name xxxxx 2>/dev/null

(09:14:50 PM) jedijf: stuff like that

(09:15:14 PM) jedijf: updatedb to update the locate database

(09:15:28 PM) kb3ui: I recall it being basic administrative stuff. Don't recall updatedb, though.

(09:15:38 PM) kb3ui: Sure you got that far?

(09:15:53 PM) jedijf: with the find command the 2>/dev/null just sends the 'error' to the bit bucket

(09:16:32 PM) kb3ui: >/dev/null sends anything to the bit bucket.

(09:17:04 PM) jedijf: correct and 2 represents errors

(09:17:33 PM) kb3ui: Ah! I see! You don't want to see the error of your ways!

(09:17:47 PM) jedijf: so the screen doesn't fill up with junk and only the results that match the xxxxxx

(09:17:49 PM) jedijf: try it

(09:17:59 PM) kb3ui: Ok.

(09:18:06 PM) jedijf: find / -name xxxx 2>/dev/null

(09:18:20 PM) jedijf: find / means start a the root directory

(09:18:33 PM) jedijf: -name means look for this name

(09:18:37 PM) jedijf: xxxx is a file

(09:18:49 PM) jedijf: try with and without the 2>/dev/null

(09:19:47 PM) kb3ui: I just did, and it works!

(09:20:00 PM) kb3ui: Let me try without the 2...

(09:20:02 PM) jedijf: did you try without errors to bit bucket

(09:20:02 PM) Prayer: good for you!

(09:21:09 PM) Prayer: Any know about libtext-csv-perl ?

(09:21:17 PM) kb3ui: Oh, boy! I see what you mean - without the bit bucket!

(09:21:33 PM) Prayer: lot more errors to ignore

(09:21:55 PM) kb3ui: Tells me every directory it finds!

(09:26:08 PM) Prayer: don't slow down now. . . .

(09:29:08 PM) kb3ui: Just multitasking!

(09:29:53 PM) kb3ui: Hope we get a good turnout on Saturday - January often brings in a lot of new people to PACS.

(09:30:24 PM) Prayer: no new blood tonight unless you count burke-bear

(09:30:53 PM) rmg: and he's not a traveling bear

(09:35:25 PM) jedijf: it's been kind of slow in general - i hope this meeting on saturday breaks that trend

(09:35:48 PM) Prayer: Now if the bear could bring a few hundred chocolate tux figures ...... ummmm good.

(09:36:01 PM) kb3ui: I can't think of any new bear puns!

(09:36:28 PM) Prayer: I will only be there in the the earlier morning. It is NOT the 3rd sat.

(09:36:42 PM) kb3ui: Regardless of the turnout, I always enjoy coming and learning new stuff!

(09:36:45 PM) teddy-dbear: sounds like you are bearly here

(09:37:04 PM) kb3ui: That's not a new pun - that's as old as the hills!

(09:38:42 PM) teddy-dbear: what do you expect from a head full of stuffing =-O

(09:38:47 PM) Prayer: I bearly laughed!

(09:39:11 PM) kb3ui: Depends upon the quality of bread used to make the stuffing!

(09:40:17 PM) Prayer: jedijf, hear that bread & stuffing, jump in anytime, if you can bear it.

(09:40:46 PM) teddy-dbear: I can't bear it :-(

(09:42:33 PM) Prayer: teddy-dbear, you're too honey sweet, try being more grizzly

(09:42:46 PM) kb3ui: Ooh! That was good, Prayer!

(09:43:05 PM) teddy-dbear: that's from all the chocolate

(09:43:20 PM) Prayer: kb3ui, grab and camera could be a kodiak moment anytime.

(09:43:37 PM) kb3ui: Rich, you just have more talent than I do!

(09:45:26 PM) Prayer: kb3ui, some try to black ball you, I'll just black bear you.

(09:47:08 PM) kb3ui: Yes you do!

(09:48:50 PM) Prayer: kb3ui, earlier I was telling teddy-dbear about my favorite pastry, bear-claws. He said CHOCOLATE!!!!

(09:49:45 PM) kb3ui: I can see why he wouldn't like any discussion of eating bear-claws!

(09:50:34 PM) kb3ui: I would agree that chocolate is better, anyway.

(09:51:21 PM) teddy-dbear: yeah chocolate

(09:53:36 PM) Prayer: teddy-dbear, claims he has NO claws just paws!!

(09:54:05 PM) teddy-dbear: don't need them

(09:54:07 PM) Prayer: In keeping with being soft fuzzy and not sctrachy.

(09:54:26 PM) kb3ui: Why don't you pause?

(09:54:28 PM) teddy-dbear: I let other people scratch me

(09:54:43 PM) Prayer: No lovable 3yearold needs a clawey teddy bear.

(09:55:25 PM) rmg: how about an unlovable one?

(09:56:28 PM) Prayer: teddy-dbear, you might want to grow some claws then.

(09:56:42 PM) teddy-dbear: no way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(09:56:43 PM) Prayer: Ditch the chocolate too.

(09:56:51 PM) teddy-dbear: never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

(09:57:17 PM) Prayer: Oh, you're just tooo lovable!

(09:57:36 PM) teddy-dbear: you better believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(09:58:35 PM) Prayer: and to think you were named after a "rough rider" hmmmmm

(09:58:49 PM) Prayer: and a president

(09:59:01 PM) kb3ui: Roosevelt!

(09:59:07 PM) kb3ui: (the first one)

(09:59:46 PM) kb3ui: He refused to shoot a bear cub, with the press watching, and the bear got the name, "teddy bear".

(10:04:55 PM) kb3ui: Grrrrrrr!

(10:07:05 PM) Prayer: No GroWWWllll

(10:07:55 PM) kb3ui: http://GroWWWllll

(10:09:02 PM) Prayer: server not found

(10:09:18 PM) rmg: same here

(10:09:37 PM) Prayer: My browser assumed a .com attached to it

(10:10:29 PM) Prayer: none for .net .edu .us

(10:10:29 PM) kb3ui: I was at a restaurant last weekend looking for my waiter, and I got that same error message.

(10:10:37 PM) kb3ui: Server not found!

(10:11:26 PM) Prayer: Customer gone

(10:11:30 PM) rmg: punishing

(10:12:05 PM) kb3ui: You're right - PUNishing!

(10:12:30 PM) Prayer: oooooooh

(10:12:51 PM) Prayer: I cant bear it

(10:13:29 PM) kb3ui: That's where we started, Rich!

(10:13:57 PM) kb3ui: Anybody know what's happening with the Database SIG?

(10:14:12 PM) rmg: no

(10:14:20 PM) Prayer: it is quiet

(10:14:51 PM) Prayer: I heard a roumor that SUN bought mysql !

(10:15:16 PM) Prayer: How can you buy an open source thingy ?

(10:17:39 PM) kb3ui: You'd be surprised - these open source thingys somehow have their revenue streams - perhaps from a related product.

(10:21:24 PM) Prayer: Official word at: http://www.mysql.org/news-and-events/sun-to-acquire-mysql.html

(10:28:09 PM) kb3ui: SUN will make money the same way MySQL AB made money, and probably more of it!

(10:29:39 PM) Prayer: Aparently was Swedish co that owned (and opened source it). Therefore could sell it.

(10:36:55 PM) kb3ui: They probably have other products that work with MySQL. By sponsoring it, they have control over its form and function, probably to their advantage.

(10:37:15 PM) jedijf: oo front end :)

(10:39:40 PM) kb3ui: jedijf - have you looked at their code?

(10:39:49 PM) Prayer: Oracle has several, IBM has several, uSoft has two or so. SUN needs at least one.......

(10:40:06 PM) Prayer: databases

(10:40:40 PM) kb3ui: "MSQL AB supports both open source values and corporate customers' needs." The corporate customers provide the revenue.

(10:41:24 PM) jedijf: kb3ui, not recently, but oo base is a front end for mysql - so it is a fit that can be developed /much/ further

(10:43:37 PM) kb3ui: Interesting!

(10:43:54 PM) kb3ui: And, of course, that's what SUN probably plans to do!

(10:52:08 PM) kb3ui: The SUN never sets on the British Empire!

(10:53:35 PM) kb3ui: Be interesting to see how the stock market reacts - we'll probably hear from both the bulls and the BEARS!

(10:56:28 PM) teddy-dbear: not this bear

(10:56:43 PM) burke-bear: not this one either

(10:58:04 PM) kb3ui: That's a lot of BULL!

(10:58:18 PM) kb3ui: or rather, a lot of BULLS!

(10:58:52 PM) rmg: that jedijf department

(10:59:03 PM) rmg: Red Bull

(10:59:13 PM) kb3ui: Yes, the Red kind!

(11:04:18 PM) Prayer: kb3ui, you been hittin the bull too much tonight.

(11:05:30 PM) kb3ui: I think we all have!

(11:05:43 PM) kb3ui: We probably should call it a night!

(11:06:02 PM) kb3ui: An unBEARable night!

(11:11:06 PM) Jfrost [n=Jfrost@h-68-166-207-179.phlapafg.dynamic.covad.net] entered the room.

(11:15:46 PM) rmg: figures, the old one are ready for bed and the young one just shows up

(11:16:08 PM) jedijf: lol

(11:17:02 PM) teddy-dbear: I'm just ready for bowling

(11:17:26 PM) burke-bear: mr too

(11:17:42 PM) burke-bear: dang paws

(11:17:47 PM) burke-bear: me too

(11:18:31 PM) teddy-dbear: they pop in but don't say anything

(11:18:58 PM) Norm76 [n=Norm76@c-76-116-4-147.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] entered the room.

(11:19:12 PM) rmg: here we go again

(11:19:27 PM) Norm76: Nice to "see" you too.

(11:19:44 PM) rmg: start time is 8:00 not 11:18

(11:20:20 PM) rmg: long day at work?

(11:20:34 PM) Norm76: Wife's birthday is tomorrow and I have to live with her, so you guys come in second.

(11:21:05 PM) teddy-dbear: what's that got to do with tonight?

(11:21:57 PM) Norm76: Went out & got one more gift, gift bags, & the all important card before the big day hits.

(11:22:01 PM) kb3ui left the room (quit: "See you all on Saturday!").

(11:22:02 PM) Prayer: it is his wife's birthday eve , silly

(11:22:29 PM) teddy-dbear: shop early and often

(11:23:03 PM) teddy-dbear: this is cutting into our bowling time!!

(11:23:26 PM) rmg: and I need my sleep

(11:23:57 PM) Norm76: Falling behind on beauty sleep?

(11:24:08 PM) Prayer: stuffit bear, go bowling after rmg51 sleeps.

(11:24:19 PM) rmg: trying to stay awake at work

(11:24:36 PM) teddy-dbear: we do that anyway

(11:25:23 PM) Norm76: So, any last minute thoughts on Saturday?

(11:25:49 PM) teddy-dbear: show up, eat chocolate!

(11:26:03 PM) Prayer: I'll be in early leave at 11

(11:27:51 PM) Norm76: Any particular "flavor" of Ubuntu we should be looking at?

(11:28:30 PM) Prayer: strawberry, No, wait ---- Chocolate!!!

(11:29:42 PM) Jfrost: haha

(11:31:04 PM) teddy-dbear: Chocolate with caramel inside

(11:33:04 PM) ***Norm76 rolls eyes

(11:33:25 PM) ***teddy-dbear rubs tummy

(11:34:15 PM) Norm76: I prefer raspberry-phhhhhhlt!

(11:35:24 PM) teddy-dbear: now your just getting sloppy

(11:36:53 PM) Norm76: Besides Kubuntu and Xubuntu, are there any other ISOs that we should download and burn for Saturday?

(11:37:11 PM) rmg: dsl?

(11:38:04 PM) Norm76: How does it run on notebooks?

11:38:51 PM) rmg: that's for jedijf to answer

(11:38:52 PM) jedijf: fast

(11:39:45 PM) Prayer: MythTV ? Christian ubuntu ?

(11:40:43 PM) Norm76: Myth TV sounds interesting, but I'm don't know what I could show off about it at the meeting on my notebook.

(11:43:01 PM) Norm76: Do Kubuntu and Xubuntu 7.10 have the main distribution install problems that Ubuntu Gutsy has?

(11:44:13 PM) jedijf: Xubuntu isn't a canonical official cd, and i am unsure about the kubuntu live cd's

(11:45:17 PM) rmg: I need my sleep

(11:45:24 PM) jedijf: me too

(11:45:36 PM) rmg: keep chatting if you want to

(11:46:02 PM) Norm76: Should I consider rolling back to 7.04 to get a successful install on virtual box (and then upgrade)?

(11:46:02 PM) rmg: I'll stay on for the log

(11:46:27 PM) jedijf: Norm76, no use alternate install cd's for installs anyway

(11:48:02 PM) Norm76: We want the new guys to be able to easily duplicate what we demo on their computers.

(11:49:00 PM) jedijf: yeah

(11:49:12 PM) jedijf: try with live - install with alternate

(11:49:30 PM) jedijf: less install issues in general

(11:49:42 PM) Norm76: I would like to get a virtual install done this time, so the new members can see it as an easy way to get their "feet wet" with Linux.

(11:50:05 PM) jedijf: live requires 256 megs ram - alternate only needs 64 megs -

(11:50:49 PM) Norm76: and I'm still not back up to 1 Gb ram on the notebook. Good point.

(11:51:09 PM) jedijf: that's a waste of time - a virtual install is the same as a regular install, so there is 45 minutes to an hour of 'down' time

(11:52:39 PM) jedijf: virtualbox is real intuitive - just pointing them at it should be enough

(11:53:33 PM) jedijf: the wizards walk you right through it - at least for 'regular' stuff, not odd stuff like os2

(11:54:18 PM) Prayer: I can't get OS2 disk to start installing.... Has failure during bootup.

(11:55:06 PM) jedijf: dsl was a little different, but not really different than a regular dsl install, since its an enigma anyway

(11:56:36 PM) jedijf: ok guys/gals goodnight - have to get some sleep - see everyone saturday

(11:56:39 PM) jedijf left the room ("Time to make the donuts.").

(11:56:55 PM) Prayer: I loaded 2 puppies, WinXP, and ReactOS

(11:57:42 PM) Prayer: jfrost have you used libtext-csv-perl ?

(01/22/2008 12:01:37 AM) Jfrost: its just a commma seperated value thingy

(12:15:40 AM) Norm76: Goodnight, group. See you Saturday.

(12:17:46 AM) Norm76 left the room (quit: "Goodnight all!").

(12:48:20 AM) Prayer: nitey nite bears

(12:48:25 AM) Prayer left the room ("Leaving").

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